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The pen is mightier than the sword - A picture is worth a thousand words
The full details revealed here - http://bit.ly/8OG1NH If you believe that the agency deceived Lidiya and John please leave your opinion in the comment box. Thank you.
Advise to ladies that have their profile at www.uadreams.com http://bit.ly/7AxxTI I I think you will agree when you see how the letter (in the link above) has been manipulated to keep the couple apart. It could and probably is happening to your correspondence
Полную информацию показал здесь - http://bit.ly/5L2vkY Если вы считаете, что Агентство обманутых Лидия и Иоанна, оставьте ваш мнения в поле комментария. Спасибо.
Советуем дам, которые имеют свой профиль на www.uadreams.com Я http://bit.ly/7AxxTI Я думаю, вы согласитесь, когда видишь, как письмо (в ссылке выше) было манипулировать, чтобы держать пари друг от друга. Он мог бы и, вероятно, происходит с вашей корреспонденции
“I had a contact who was working in UA Dreams. And she said that most of mails are written by translators, girls don't even know that somebody are sending mails from their accounts.
On other hand, girls sometimes go to such agencies to get free professional photos. But they have to sign a contract, by which they have to answer on calls, than foreign clients calling them.” Note
Lotus´s comments on this forum have been removed although there is a reference to this person. This would indicate that uadreams.com External Holding (Gibraltar) Limited are a mafia (or similar) and as Poltava is in the Ukraine were able to threaten the webmaster - we are posting the original post and correcting the link
I had a contact who was working in UA Dreams. And she said that most of mails are written by translators, girls don't even know that somebody are sending mails from their accounts. On other hand, girls sometimes go to such agencies to get free professional photos. But they have to sign a contract, by which they have to answer on calls, than foreign clients calling them. (See Dasha´s story below)
If this is true then uadreams.com (External Holding Limited) could face criminal charges for identity theft (is a form of stealing someone's identity in which someone pretends to be someone else by assuming that person's identity)
Кража личности (англ.Identity theft) —
преступление, при котором незаконно используются персональные данные
человека для получения материальной выгоды. Термин появился в 1964 и
является неточным, так как саму личность украсть невозможно.
It would appear that all Ukrainian online dating sites use the Pro-dater business plan which does have a negative effect on the people that they come in contact with during their writing expeditions and this is why there is so much negative comment about uadreams.com and the like. They have only bought it upon themselves and can blame no one else
extract from website
Professional online daters, without realizing it, are having a negative
effect on the people they come in contact with during their expeditions.
For example, a professional online dater may be writing seven people at
the same time, when another new interesting prospect shows up. In turn,
the professional online dater allows communication with one (or more)
of the other seven people to suddenly stop, leaving that person without
answers and wondering, “where did he/she disappear to?” The other
problem professional online daters bring to online dating is their lack
of true commitment. They may have three, four or even more relationships
a year. The relationships are generally short-lived and the
professional online dater has a new date lined up (with someone new
he/she met online) within several days of a breakup. One sensible Ukrainian lady writes extract from this site - http://www.business..IC_ID=1450 or http://bit.ly/W2LLqF Reply author: n/a
Replied on: May 02 2011 15:09:23
Message:
Now here from the same site I have quoted THE MOST SHOCKING I COMPLAINT I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS CONCERNING THIS SITE
It comes from Marina from Kiev, Ukraine January 27, 2011
I would like to tell personal story about Anastasia.com. I am girl
from Kiev (Ukraine), I am nice, well-educated and I know English. I
wanted to find serious relationship with help of site Anastasia. Well, I
registered on the site with my real name and stated that I am woman
looking for a man. Can you believe, some mistake has happen and I
started to receive invitations from girls to be a member and to chat
with them or to read their e-mails? I felt that Anastasia doesn't expect
girls to make registration by themselves; they prefer to work with
local agencies. Well, than I met a girl who was working in the local
international dating agency, partner of Anastasia. She told me that she
needs to write and send hundreds of e-mails every day, trying to make
new members and to have chat with them. She receives percentage from
payments.
.
Also I found many ads in the local press, where girls are invited to
work in chat with foreigners. Also there are special people in the
agencies, who write very emotional letters about love and relationship.
Than I studied other international dating sites with
Russian/Ukrainian girls. I found out that most popular girls usually
have very provocative pictures. I mean that girl in underwear takes your
attention more than girl in dress. There are many topless girls.
Believe me I grew up and live in Ukraine, I am young and beautiful, but
not me not any of my friends can not let provocative pictures appear in
the Internet. Don't believe that Ukrainian teacher can place a picture
in the Internet dressed in a sexy bra. She has colleagues, classmates,
alumni, parents, pupils, relatives, and friends and so on. It will be
very bad if somebody from this list will see her in underwear (or
topless or nude) in the Internet dating site. It can completely destroy
professional and personal reputation (I take a teacher for example, but
it is true about doctors, clerks, managers and so on). Who don't care?
Well, people from show-business (I didn't find girls on the dating site
with such field of work), professional daters and prostitutes.
I am Ukrainian and after my own experience and investigations I
don't believe to dating sites. It is monopoly of professional writers,
daters, and fake agencies
Well, I decided to try well-known international site. I filled out
application form on Match.com. Next day I couldn't access to my page. I
wrote a letter to the customer service. The answer was 'We don't accept
profiles from your part of world any more, because of scammers'.
Guys, if you have something to suggest me, please don't keep silence, let me know your thoughts.
Marina. a post on delphi
2013-01-17, 09:22:11
anonymous
Anybody scammed by a Ukrainian dating scammer can email the Ukrainian Tax service,. gromada@sts.gov.ua
They are always pleased to hear from you & tax the scumbags of
there ill gotten gains. They have a fraud department that will take
action & hopefully put these low life scammers out of business. Its
well worth an email to alert them of a scammer & if possible the
agency they work for. Its probably best to just visit Ukraine with out
using corrupt dating agencies if you really want to meet a Ukrainian
lady. Just be prepared to be patient & do NOT part with your hard
earned cash if they ask for it. Move on & find someone else. There
are lots of decent women there as well as the scumbag scammers.
Ніхтообдуривукраїнськізнайомствашахрай можевідправитиУкраїнська податковаслужба. gromada@sts.gov.ua Вонизавжди радіпочутивідвасіподаткувідморозкитамз жорстокогоотрималиприбуток. Вонимаютьшахрайствовідділ, якийбудевживати заходіві, ми сподіваємося, покластиЦінизькішахраїжиттяз бізнесу. Йоговартоелектронної пошти, щобпопередитиїхпрошахрайі, якщоможливо, вони працюютьнаагентство. Його, ймовірно, кращепростовідвідати Україну зз використаннямшлюбніагентствакорумпованихякщови дійсно хочете познайомитисяз українськимиледі. Простобудьте готовібути терплячимиіне розлучитися зпрацею зароблені гроші, якщовонипросятьзаце.Переходьтеізнайтикогось іншого. Є багатогіднихжіноктамтаксамояк покидьокшахраїв.
Dasha´s story to an Australian
that has visited both ualadys and uadreams ladies received this from one of them after his visit which would seem to concur with what fragov (above) says above Original here
“Hello xxxxx
I am so sad and even angry to hear such awful news! I do not have any relations with ualadys/uadreams after winter! I had bad relations with that agency, because the director and the owner of agency are not true people! They write letters by themsel without women! I
thought that they removed me from the agency! But they did not do it! And can you imagine? That they have found? my photos and copy them, from such site as odnoklassnik! Do you know about it? It is like ISQ? but here you can find your friends and classmates!
I do not know what to do !
I called to the agency, but secretary said that she did not know anything!
So, I hope that you will believe me!
I do not have reason to lie to you and to write to you through the agency, as I write to you by myself!
We can do an expariment! My favorite flower is white tulip and my favorite food is cheese! Ask these questions to me through the AGENCY! You will see that the answers are not correct!
I hope that you will not write to that unfair agency! They even talk girls do not speak by English, even if you know!"
. Source of post below
2013-03-14, 08:28:37
anonymous
I know a translator for this company, it is 100 per
cent scam, do you really think young Ukraine models are single and
looking for old men ? They get paid by the company for every photo
someone buys of them and for every email they receive as well as a hourly
rate for video chat. Most of the girls are in relationships, search for
them on www.vk.com and look for yourself. They get paid money for the
gifts you send, so they never even got the nice roses you sent, just $5
instead. If you are looking for genuine girls there then look for single
mothers or women in there late 30's and older. The young girls don't
want old men. Just your money.
and dating scams are not just confined to the Ukraine & other Eastern European countries
Panorama exposes the tricks of the UK's online dating industry.
GlobalMatchConnection.com and Cupid plc have been named. Whistleblowers reveal how they create fake profiles and adopt multiple
personas to reel in those looking for love - all to boost profits. .
Panorama exposes the tricks of the UK's online dating industry, worth
millions of pounds a year. Reporter Fiona Walker investigates how some
unscrupulous dating websites are preying on those looking for love and
searching for their perfect partner. She reveals a world where millions
of photos and private details are taken from social media sites without
people's consent and reused to set up fake profiles of imaginary
potential partners to tempt the lovelorn. Celebrities, politicians and
even children are among those whose personal information has been
targeted. Whistleblowers reveal how they create fake profiles and adopt
multiple personas to reel in those looking for love - all to boost
profits.
According to this article
in the Kyiv Post, Cupid recruits for a job titled "Motivation Manager"
in the Ukraine. An undercover journalist applied for one of these
positions which allegedly "involved posing as a female user of the
dating site and encouraging male users online to buy memberships." But
that can't be right because Cupid told the BBC that they don't employ anyone to do this (it would be illegal after all).
Apparently Cupid did not respond to an invitation from the Kyiv Post to comment on this investigation.
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In reply to that letter I have posted here http://bit.ly/4EpF0k without
drawing the above mentioned lady into it, as she like myself I am sure
has suffered enough due to the mishandling of our relationship by these
people
On 12th October 2009 the lady says she is madly in love with an American
and to forget her. A week latter the agency is asking for someone from
Venezuala to send her a present, on tuesday she asks me to forget her
and now she sends me a video!
I am sure that she knows nothing of what is going on behind the scenes
and I feel very sorry for her.
The full details revealed here - http://bit.ly/8OG1NH If you believe that the agency deceived Lidiya and John please leave your
opinion in the comment box. Thank you.
They have made the mess they have to sort it out!
В ответ на это письмо, я поместил здесь без http://bit.ly/4EpF0k
рисунок вышеупомянутой дамой в нее, как она, как я уверен
достаточно пострадала из-за неправильных действий наших
взаимоотношений этих люди
12 октября 2009 года леди говорит, что она влюблена в
американских и забыть о ней. Последняя неделя агентство просить
кого-то из Venezuala отправить ее настоящем, во вторник она просит
меня, чтобы забыть о ней и теперь она посылает мне видео!
Я уверен, что она ничего не знает о том, что происходит за кулисами
и мне очень жаль ее.
During October L P contacts El Venezolano asking him to send her a gift, having professed her profuse love for and American (See below), having said in this letter to me that she wanted to share her new self with me ALL IN THE SAME WEEK). It leaves me to believe that as VISA were blocking payments from me that uadreams decided to add the last paragraph to finish the relationship. We could not have met earlier as she was working in Germany. Or was she? Another lie by uadreams to stop a meeting. Out of courtesy to LP I have not published the full content of her first 3 paragaphs - only the last which I believe was inserted for a malicious motive.
"..... but you remember me and I´m thankful million times for sending me that very card on my birthday(October 7th). I like it
.....
I have more bright views on life and something was add to my character!!! I need some time to understand up to the end and to share with you but I should say that it is a good changes!!!!. .......
It is true that once I wrote that if you want to fight for you love you should do it. I know about you difficulties, the staff of the agency told me it. (Comment -But did not tell me that VISA was blocking transactions to them in the fight against fraud - uadreams.com?) I understand you but now please listen to me and understand. When you want to build real relationships there should be constant attention and desire to move ahead. (Comment - I know you did not write this but uadreams.com sales pitch. If you did constant attention - ha ha and you do this video after I wrote you 80 letters - very ugly) When you stopped writing me I realized that maybe you lost you great interest towards me and I would never hear from you again. Once I received a letter from a man from USA. We started to communicate and you know I want to be honest with you that I felt strong connection between us. Please, understand that it was beyond my forces and I could do nothing with my feeling. I just fall in love!!! Then we started to communicate more actively and now I realize that he is the only one person I would like to be in my life. I don't want to hide it from you. I can be dishonest with you. It was love and I followed that feeling. If you really love me you will let me go. I know that my words can sound for you sharper than knife but it is unfair to hide the truth. I sincerely believed that we could have a future but fate decided in the other way. I'm really sorry that I should tell you about as we have such a long history of creation of our relationships but love cannot be forced...” (12 October 2009)
Did LP write this letter or Olga Orlova / Marina S to break us up?
Click here to see how immoral these people are sending the same letter (purporting to be just for you) to more than one man http://myuadreamsexperience.blogspot.com/2009/11/15-october-2008-maybe-we-have-chance-to.html
God knows how many?
Wake up Lidiya P. #8135? and report these people to the police in the Ukraine if they have stolen your identity or are changing the content of your and my letters maliciously so that we never meet which is what I believe is the case. Of course you could be married or have had your identitiy stolen.Olga Orlova with the above-mentioned evidence you will agree that you have scammed me and any other man that has been writing to Lidiya P #8135. Return of the monies paid? An American court would award huge damages against www.uadreams.com External Holding (Gibraltar) Limited for 18 months emotional blackmail I think. (And of course the lady concerned as I think she has been scammed as well). VISA could find themselves in a third party litigation.
Below seems to confirm what I thought - uadreams.com edit out anything in a letter to prevent a meeting between a couple so that the flow of $5 a letter continues until the man gets fed up of writing to the lady!
Dasha Grechka's - Manager at UADreams | LinkedIn Ukraine - Manager at UADreams
Dasha says her job is editing. No mention is made of translating and none about the business being a marraige agency.
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their publicity
UaDreams.com
http://www.uadreams.com/
UaDreams is online dating service for single Ukrainian Ladies and single men from all over the world.
Our Mission is to work for the members of our site, to help the Ukrainian women and foreign men to find the path to meet each other and obtain what’s lacking in so many people’s lives: romance, love and happy family life.
We will find that special woman for everyone who is looking for a partner, a sincere friend, and loving wife.
10 September 2015 - the video link above says that Lidiya P #8143 does not exist look for another lady! However replying to another UADreams client that said that he had been scammed on Facebook message the link brings up this - unfortunately the image is too small but to me it does not look like Lidiya P - maybe someone could send me a larger image - A friend that has seen the photos that I have of LP from Gorlova without any hesitation said that the photo below was not her. Police would be able to analize the photos if they suspect that this was identity theft. The company has left out the P but still kept the orginal reference number #8135 that they assigned to LP
http://www.business..IC_ID=1450
